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Applicant Feedback
“Did you have any issues with logbooks, application or paperwork?”
“I had a hiccup with one of my transcripts. But it was easily and quickly resolved. Ended up being a non-factor.”
“None. Used my Army DA Form 759, DA Form 759-1, and an Excel logbook that I’ve kept since I retired from the Army that only included my time since retirement.”
“No I was updating my app very frequently and making sure there were no errors, so I didn’t have to make any corrections to my application.”
“Not that I am aware of. I had crossed the 100 hour/12 month threshold about a month before I got the email. Honestly I was pretty surprised when I got it. I did have 9 internal recs, but no idea if that helped.”
“No, the process was very straight forward. I brought my GA logbook and military flying summary with full printout of flying history. Expect the application they print out to be a few weeks out of date so bring a current app to allow a quick update.”
“Kind of, although it wasn’t really a problem during the interview. The first thing they have you do is review your application which they print and provide to you. Somehow my total turbine time on their copy reflected over 14K hours, and I have no idea where that came from, so I red inked that. It never came up in the interview but I’m still glad I caught it. For what it’s worth, I printed my own copy and brought it along for this review and it reflected what I had always stated (~8500)”
“I had one error where I put “hours” in a block that was meant for “sorties.” I made the correction on line prior to the interview but it was not in time so I had to use the red pen. So just like a check ride, don’t let a mistake affect the ret of your performance.”
“I was missing a fair credit report act signature page (not sure if it was sent to me or if I just missed it, but Doris gave me one and I signed no problem.”
“Yes, a little. I didnt realize that they looked at your logbooks for the times you passed various checkrides. I did a 1 hr prep with Mike Engell of Cage and he said to tab my logbooks. I did but when I walked into the interview there was a lot of questions about why my duplicate logbook had 400 hours less than my original logbook (I brought both since my original was really beat up and had some water damage). Since I had transferred that flight time time about 10 years ago I initially just looked at them like a pig watching TV. After a quick review of what they were referring to I saw that in my original logbook I had logged sim time as flight time and when I did the duplicate I had taken that time out. They said they were happy with the explanation but I wish I had been more prepared for that.”
“No. My logbooks are paper and with 9,000 hrs they are not perfect, so don’t sweat it if you have some corrections or the times don’t exactly match up (within reason of course). I tabbed all check rides, seat changes, and the last page. Also included a summary that I made of the 3 books with important events and dates that corresponded to the tabbed pages.”
“None. However, make sure you are keeping your application up to date. You don’t want to go in there and have to make a ton of red ink changes.”
“I believe this was the primary weak spot of my interview. At United, when you arrive for the interview, they hand you a red pen to make any corrections to your application. I was advised by Cage Consulting to make sure your application (minus changes to flight time) is identical to how it was prior to receiving the Hogan, because that is when they officially print off your application for use in the interview. When tasked to make corrections there were some quirky inconsistencies with the application they printed off versus my most updated copy I brought with me. For instance, under “Date of Availability” I had selected “2 weeks notice” approximately 4 months prior to receiving the invite, though the application they gave me stated November of 2015, which was the last time I manually entered a date on airlineapps. Also missing from the application was any volunteer work I had included a few months prior to receiving the invite. I asked Dorris if it would be appropriate to make those corrections and she said I should. The more significant application issues though are as follows:
1.) Added Speeding Ticket: A week prior to my interview, I came across a section in one of the Cage Marshall Consulting prep books detailing events that have occurred that aren’t on your record, and that these events should be included in your application. I had a speeding ticket in Indiana a few years previous that was never added to my record because I enrolled in a program that allows the event to be expunged under certain conditions. Therefore, I never added the event to my application. After reading this section, I emailed my contact at Cage, and they advised me to email Bill Kennedy about the matter. I told Mr. Kennedy that I had no intentions of not being forthright, but I wanted to make this instance known now. Mr. Kennedy told me to come to the interview and red ink the event on to my application when I arrive. I even brought copies of my emails between Mr. Kennedy and myself along to the interview to offer if confronted by my HR panel about the addition.
2.) Incorrect education dates: Prior to WAI, I consulted Cage to prep for the job fair, and I had fast passes for United and Delta. Cage advised me for the sake of Delta to include all my flight training dates on my airlineapps under the education section. I was on a trip when I received this advice so I went ahead and added approximate dates on airlineapps, and when I returned home, I updated the dates with more accurate dates. The day I updated the dates was the day I received the Hogan test. At the interview, the application they handed me had all the original, approximated dates on the application. Due to the previously listed event and my focus on integrity, I did not want to chance some circumstance coming up that would prove my dates to be incorrect, so I had to correct every date for each flight training education section entered.
3.) Added work history: While at WAI, I met with a Delta recruiter who liked a section on my resume I had about aerobatic instruction that I had provided in the past. I did not have this work history on my airlineapps as it was never a substantial job. Though, the recruiter encouraged me to add this work history to airlineapps, and I did so. While doing my interview prep work with Cage, they advised me of the importance of having your application as it was prior to the Hogan test, so with that in mind I intended to remove this work section, but somehow forgot to do so. On the application I received from United, there was no work history section of aerobatic instruction, even though my current airlineapps had the work history section. As with the education dates, I was concerned with what would happen if I didn’t make corrections, so on the back of one of the pages of the application, I wrote in a whole additional work history section.”
I do not know what would have happened if I did not make the education and work history corrections or if they were necessary. The important lesson is to add things accurately the first time regardless of when you think you might get an invite.
“Logbook / ARMs printout was never mentioned or discussed.
Application that I reviewed/signed was archived data from about the time I got the invite, not most current AirlineApps data … that being said they only wanted updates of more than 100 hours.”